tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15916792427854404352024-02-02T13:53:03.464-08:00Fake Chinese Cash on eBayNorman F. Gornyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01464716558615582279noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1591679242785440435.post-67582449403441528662016-06-20T02:54:00.002-07:002016-06-21T07:26:49.270-07:00Current eBay dealer in Fake Coins: liucheng336699<b><span style="color: #f1c232;">Reference:</span> Fake Chinese Coin seller eBay ID <a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/liucheng336699">liucheng336699</a></b><br />
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Amazing! Another seller of fake Chinese cash on eBay! So, <i>what else is new?</i><br />
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I'll tell you what—finally a seller whose fake Chinese cash and other fake coins actually include some interesting fantasies. Take a look at these charmers! He's only got fifteen items on auction tonight, so I will show all of them with my comments. This seller has, of today, twenty <b><span style="color: #e06666;">bad feedbacks</span></b> on the record, and they all seem to have something to do with fake underwear, so maybe the coins are okay—<i><b><span style="color: #e06666;">not!</span></b></i> Just kidding, but some of the coins are very original, not the usual fakes we've been seeing. <i>Here 't goes!</i><br />
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<b><span style="color: #93c47d;">There are only three cash-likes:</span></b><br />
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<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjwbnXqljnT1I0dl8u_RJQGs8lt2O6R_EAbcX-0548jOxwq7SWFWSI40gblB6u24OzJk9Xxn1qgPRlgJX1R64Iod2JvcB1GFUCZXdK6RsdcvcEyGXh_ltusR5ELZKdL0yZhBLKhQS7zKc4/s1600/fanciful+fu+charm+54.5mm.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" height="161" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjwbnXqljnT1I0dl8u_RJQGs8lt2O6R_EAbcX-0548jOxwq7SWFWSI40gblB6u24OzJk9Xxn1qgPRlgJX1R64Iod2JvcB1GFUCZXdK6RsdcvcEyGXh_ltusR5ELZKdL0yZhBLKhQS7zKc4/s320/fanciful+fu+charm+54.5mm.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">A charm with 福 Fu at the top, bronze 54.5mm diameter.</td></tr>
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<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiQ5YlA02yPXWC25kABYNdmoEwyQFOhyXwvNlP9luUVISWdroADstZbAwAD1MIPf01YEhegS-gETR52b5x0B83b8niawZT1WzP-PB4fK-lYUPFuTW2CcPVDQiHYc-XLk9W34naISULc_ew/s1600/guangxu-10+cash+62mm.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" height="164" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiQ5YlA02yPXWC25kABYNdmoEwyQFOhyXwvNlP9luUVISWdroADstZbAwAD1MIPf01YEhegS-gETR52b5x0B83b8niawZT1WzP-PB4fK-lYUPFuTW2CcPVDQiHYc-XLk9W34naISULc_ew/s320/guangxu-10+cash+62mm.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Guangxu reign 10 cash, clumsy Manchu characters,<br />
and <b><span style="color: #e06666;">much too large—62mm!</span></b></td></tr>
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<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhLU7dcoDChEzTL9RLPpCBJsxeE37RsJ1C4jPYrgW9074dU1Yio50p0mI-QiDQCQwh18tcvpmEjZtqUG7cuWTK-dohpMnNX3tzWQHSg2R3pEiDEfGu9Pij88wQmhLHj0Lo6DEz3MFqQvso/s1600/jiaqing-100+cash+58mm.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" height="163" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhLU7dcoDChEzTL9RLPpCBJsxeE37RsJ1C4jPYrgW9074dU1Yio50p0mI-QiDQCQwh18tcvpmEjZtqUG7cuWTK-dohpMnNX3tzWQHSg2R3pEiDEfGu9Pij88wQmhLHj0Lo6DEz3MFqQvso/s320/jiaqing-100+cash+58mm.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Jiaqing reign, 福建 Fujian province 100 cash <br />
with characters in rims denoting a weight of 5 liang, brassy 58mm.<br />
<b><span style="color: #e06666;">There are no multiple cash in the Jiaqing reign!</span></b></td></tr>
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<span style="color: #6fa8dc;"><b>Then he is selling some fake Republican era coins with very crude portraits:</b></span><br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">A <b><span style="color: #ffd966;">fantasy</span></b> 广东 Guangdong province 1 xian, bronze 25mm.</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">A <b><span style="color: #ffd966;">fantasy</span></b><span style="font-size: 12.8px;"> </span>Memento style 10 cash, bronze 28.5mm.</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">A <b><span style="color: #ffd966;">fantasy</span></b><span style="font-size: 12.8px;"> </span>Yuan Shikai as Emperor bronze 20 cash crown, 38mm.</td></tr>
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<span style="color: #c27ba0;"><b>Finally, nine assorted mostly fantasy types, some quite charming, some crude and childish, like Communist play money—<i>if there ever was such a thing!</i></b></span><br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Somewhat faithful copy of the Communist 500 cash, 35mm!</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Interesting, even artistic, play money 分 fen with ship, 23mm.</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Totally childish play money style piece of Commie crap,<br />
possibly useful as a piece of retro jewelry, 35mm.</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Playful and childlike play money 分 fen, a bit goofy, 23mm.</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Another play money piece, not terribly artsy, 29mm.<br />
The authentic coin isn't much better.</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Republic half cent fake, hole unpunched, and too large, 25mm.</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Big 500 cash fantasy, crown-sized 38mm.</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><b><span style="color: #ffd966;">Interesting!</span></b> A fake 1 cash in bronze instead of brass <br />
and too large at 23mm with the Hubei 鄂 mintmark in the center.</td></tr>
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<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjRxzxOjc7ZYTIsUXDGvUNocszoMDGpT3E6nhcDLJdiqGN5vZ5vzF1sS-XV1ou2bSuhtiN_83viz3-RYPiFK4SaTKiTLanceKZgZfNIFeZ5Nm3pXL-mAEOammZwuibjqMOMvzNa2lWADBo/s1600/Republic+10+cash+with+Japanese+chrysanthemum+25mm.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" height="163" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjRxzxOjc7ZYTIsUXDGvUNocszoMDGpT3E6nhcDLJdiqGN5vZ5vzF1sS-XV1ou2bSuhtiN_83viz3-RYPiFK4SaTKiTLanceKZgZfNIFeZ5Nm3pXL-mAEOammZwuibjqMOMvzNa2lWADBo/s320/Republic+10+cash+with+Japanese+chrysanthemum+25mm.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Another interesting piece, a <b><span style="color: #ffd966;">fantasy </span></b>Republic 10 cash
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with the Imperial Japanese chrysanthemum,
bronze 25mm. </td></tr>
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I don't really have much more to add in commenting on <b><a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/liucheng336699">liucheng336699</a></b> or his wares. It has become more common this time round to find sellers in China who don't just sell fake coins, but a lot of other stuff, usually fake cultural artifacts or art, but sometimes ladies' clothes, shoes, or, as in the case of <b><a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/liucheng336699">liucheng336699</a></b>, men's underwear. I am not so concerned about fake underwear as I am about fake coins. The underwear gets discarded after a year or two, but the coins, unless someone is sensible and throws them into the smelter, could be around for centuries, infesting real collections for generations.<br />
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<span style="color: #e06666;">Remember, know your seller or dealer.</span> <span style="color: #6fa8dc;">Know your series.</span>Norman F. Gornyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01464716558615582279noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1591679242785440435.post-37125148283165909562016-06-15T23:54:00.000-07:002016-06-16T13:07:44.420-07:00Current eBay dealer in Fake Coins: shenwen030988<b><span style="color: #f1c232;">Reference:</span> Fake Chinese Coin seller eBay ID <a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/shenwen030988">shenwen030988</a></b><br />
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This eBay seller of FAKE coins (eBay, <i>listen up! What about your STRICT policy against selling FAKE merchandise?</i>) has been on eBay since July 3, 2008, so, in other words, duping the public for nearly eight years! Congratulations, 朋友 Péngyǒu, for being able to fly under eBay's radar for so long, and especially for evading negative feed back. I wonder how you do it, since eBay has carefully watched me, and deleted an item I had for sale (an ancient coin) because they determined it was a plundered ancient artifact! <i>Duh!</i> As if anyone on eBay's staff is even qualified to detect such a thing. The coin they deleted was simply a copper coin from Nisibis, which happens to be in the Middle East. Oddly, they ignored other coins from the same area. Maybe someone was having a bad hair day.<br />
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Back to my Chinese friend (that's what 朋友 <i>péngyǒu</i> means) <a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/shenwen030988">shenwen030988</a> (I wonder if 3/9/1988 is his birthday?) — I thought that no one would be so foolish as to make fakes of inexpensive Northern Song dynasty coins, but evidently I was wrong.<br />
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First thing I saw when I opened eBay to the listings for <b><span style="color: #76a5af;">Coins: World</span></b> which on my computer is set to sort from cheapest to most expensive was a fake <span style="color: #e06666;">北宋 Northern Song</span> <span style="color: #93c47d;">大觀 Da Guan</span> cash, listed by <a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/shenwen030988">shenwen030988</a>. The description says it is 27mm in diameter, so it is, in fact, a fake of a cash multiple, probably intended as a <span style="color: #f6b26b;">Value-2</span> cash. <i>Naughty, naughty! </i>Look carefully at the reverse side of this coin especially: It is a good example of painted on, fake patina. You can tell by the flaking.<br />
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Next thing I saw was what I thought was a poorly faked, quite common <span style="color: #e06666;">北宋 Northern Song</span> <span style="color: #93c47d;">至道 Zhidao </span><span style="color: #ffd966;">Value-1</span> cash in <span style="color: #6fa8dc;">行書 Xíng shū</span> Cursive style writing—but there were two of them in the picture. <i>Oh! I get it!</i> It is a rare double obverse coin, what in Chinese is called<span style="color: #6fa8dc;"> 雙面 Shuāng miàn</span>. That's why they faked it. It really <i>isn't </i>a common coin, not when it has two obverses! <i>Very clever!</i><br />
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(I hope no one becomes discouraged by the ugliness and stupidity of these two fakes to talk them out of collecting <span style="color: #e06666;">北宋 Northern Song</span> dynasty coins. When they're the <i>real </i>ones, and when you're not buying junk coins that should be sent to recycling, but nice, good grade examples which are plentiful on the internet from dealers like <a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/wattwat">Ricky Watt</a> or from off-eBay dealers like <a href="http://www.fsrcoin.com/121.htm">Frank Robinson</a>, it is a great way to build an impressive collection of medieval coins inexpensively.)<br />
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Back to <a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/shenwen030988">shenwen030988</a>, the next item I saw, which was a fake of a rare cash (or maybe a fantasy, I don't have time to check my catalogs) was a <span style="color: #e06666;">南宋 Southern Song</span> dynasty <span style="color: #93c47d;">乾道 Qiandao</span> cash with the reverse mintmark <span style="color: #c27ba0;">松 Sōng</span>. The description says it is 28mm, so a <span style="color: #ffd966;">Value-2</span>, which is commoner than <span style="color: #ffd966;">Value-1</span> coins for this reign title, but the anomaly is the mintmark. Copper <span style="color: #93c47d;">乾道 Qiandao </span>don't have reverse mintmarks. In fact, only iron <span style="color: #e06666;">南宋 Southern Song</span> coins have mintmarks (with a few exceptions, and of course this doesn't apply to the ones with year numerals on the back, which <i>are </i>made of copper, as well as iron). So, again, <i>naughty, naughty!</i> And to the potential buyer, <i>beware!</i> This piece isn't even worth having in my <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Museum">black museum</a>.<br />
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The rest of this dealers selection of fakes is pretty pedestrian, that is, pretty predictable: the usual mix of large size rare cash, some of which are fantasies, others mules or with blank reverses when the original would have been charactered, like this 45mm example, described simply as 'bronze.' The side with characters is part of an award medal in the form of a large cash. <i>Why did they not follow through with the other side's inscriptions? Who knows?</i> Maybe just to be different.<br />
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At present, authentic <span style="color: #e06666;">清 Qing</span> dynasty large multiple cash are almost never found on eBay. The few that appear are usually from private collectors, or dealer/sellers in the United States. You can assume that unless one appears in the auctions of sellers like <a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/wattwat">Ricky Watt</a> or <a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/tomtangmu">Tom Tangmu</a>, sellers in China, Hong Kong, Singapore, and maybe elsewhere (notably in Europe, like the U.K. and the Netherlands) it will probably be a fake. The fakes are just too smooth, or have unnatural patinas, or are of the wrong metal. Again, <i>remember! Cash coins are never made of silver!</i> If you want a silver cash to wear as a piece of jewelry, feel free to buy one from an eBay fakes dealer, but don't be surprised if it’s a copper fake with a silver wash on it. I wouldn't want to wear such garbage, <i>would you?</i>Norman F. Gornyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01464716558615582279noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1591679242785440435.post-30744381493368811792016-05-17T14:58:00.000-07:002016-05-22T07:53:24.159-07:00Who needs eBay? Meet chancientcoins.com.<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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If it's fake Chinese coins you need, whether cash coins, or struck coins, this company is probably the source of many of the fake coins on eBay that are sold by middlemen in China. Though I hate to discourage the petty entrepreneur by going around him, in this case I don't feel too bad. Besides, why limit yourself to what Zhou Shimou (Joe Schmo in Pinyin) has in his auction if it's not exactly what you're looking for. Take a look at this!</div>
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<a href="http://www.chancientcoins.com/">http://www.chancientcoins.com/</a><br />
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The prices can be pretty high, but if you are looking for that special 'space filler' copy of a coin you'd like to own for which you cannot find an authentic specimen, it might be worth it to look here. This company also has periodic 'sales' so it pays to visit on a regular basis if you're looking for something at a good price.<br />
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Looking at what appears on their welcome page, don't let those high prices dissuade you. They're just there to make it look like they're dealing in legitimate product, although if you know foreign coins, you'll notice right away that only the first piece, a replica 1847 British Gothic crown (called 'kroner' by these folks), is a copy of a real coin. The rest are fantasies.<br />
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The quality of these 'high end' replicas is sometimes very high, the Gothic crown, for example, and the Hei Lung Kiang dollar, both of which look really convincing, but then some others, even on this spendy page, are pure junk, like this Sungarei tael (spelled 'Teal' on the coin). I think I've seen this last piece somewhere on eBay starting at 99 cents.<br />
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I'm not sure that you couldn't talk them down on some of these prices if they thought you were a serious buyer. If that Gothic crown replica is real silver and that nice, I might pay $50 for it, as a replica, but no more. It probably isn't pure silver, though, and in that case, even $20 might be too much. As for their asking price of $500... <i>good luck!</i><br />
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<b><span style="color: #93c47d;">Spades and Early Round Coins</span></b> <span style="color: #f6b26b;"><i>(No Knife Coins!)</i></span><br />
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Looking at their cash coins, starting with the first category <span style="color: #f6b26b;"><b>Shang-Zhou-Warring States</b></span> they have some fairly authentic looking pieces, but I imagine in hand they would not look as authentic.The prices they're asking for these are still too high, even starting at <span style="color: #f6b26b;">$8 each.</span> I'd pass on this section, unless I was really needy of some odd piece for maybe educational purposes. Many of these can be found as fake coins on eBay—a<i>nd eBay should be so proud!</i><br />
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<b><span style="color: #93c47d;">Qin, Han, and Xin (Wang Mang) </span></b><br />
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I really had to laugh when I noticed a set of two different SILVER huo bu spades, at the low, low price of <span style="color: #f6b26b;">only $120 a set.</span> Except for the ultra rare replicas, most of the stuff in this section you can buy as authentic pieces at prices very close to what they're asking. Does that mean that their pieces are authentic? Probably not. But it's fun to pretend, <i>isn't it,</i> otherwise they wouldn't be in business.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #93c47d;">Three Kingdoms and Pre-Tang</span></b><br />
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The replicas (copies, fakes, all mean the same, they are modern-made) of the early cash coins before the Tang dynasty are an interesting group, <span style="color: #f6b26b;">still over-priced,</span> I'm afraid.<br />
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A complete Northern Zhou set with that lovely 'hanging needle' calligraphy will cost you $30 if you're willing to pay it. If you are satisfied with just the crown of the set, the Yong Tong Wan Guo, you can get a nice copy of that coin for <span style="color: #f6b26b;">only $8.</span><br />
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<b><span style="color: #93c47d;">Sui, Tang, and Five Dynasty Ten Kingdoms</span></b><br />
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Here the replicas are a mix of fairly decent and a few silly, and the price range is between $6 and $25, with most in the <span style="color: #f6b26b;">$8 to $12 range.</span><br />
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You can get a nice set of De Yi multiples, one with crescent above, the other below, for <span style="color: #f6b26b;">a mere $15.</span> The patina on most of these pieces looks pretty real too. If you buy any of these, you'd better pull out the old bottle of <b><span style="color: white;">white ink</span></b> and your quill, so you can mark the pieces as '<span style="color: white;"><b>COPY</b></span>'.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #93c47d;">Northern & Southern Song Dynasties</span></b><br />
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I almost didn't want to look here, because these are my favorite dynasties. Silver oversized replicas are for sale, along with roughly made large Da Guan charms, and other oddities. Again, the <span style="color: #f6b26b;">drop dead price per piece here is $6</span> for one coin, <span style="color: #f6b26b;">with $8 to $12</span> being more normal, and a few more expensive pieces, either because they are made of silver or for some other mysterious reason.<br />
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If you're silly enough to <span style="color: #f6b26b;">pay $35</span> for a badly fake-patinated set of <span style="color: #f6b26b;">value-1, 2, and 3 Daguan Tongbao</span> (see image above), then I'm sure you deserve to have them. As for me, I am happy to own several dozen authentic cash of this reign title in sizes value-1 and value-10 in bronze, and value-3 in iron, along with one or two deplorable fakes which have come my way.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #93c47d;">In Conclusion</span></b><br />
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I could continue down their list and review the other sections, but I am getting a bit fatigued. I will say that in my other favorite dynastic period, <b><span style="color: #f6b26b;">Ming and Ming Rebels,</span></b> they have some very nice replicas of some of the larger cash multiples which are actually collectible, but overpriced.<br />
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Many of these will turn up at regular eBay sellers of fakes, so find what you want here at <b><span style="color: #f6b26b;">chancient.com</span></b> and, if you can't get them to give you a lower price on something you want, wait for it to come around on eBay, it probably will.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #93c47d;">A Final Note</span></b><br />
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I've mentioned using white ink to mark directly on a cash coin that it is a COPY. Some of the cash coins in my collection must have belonged to museum collections at one time, or at least were in personal collections of serious collectors since the second World War or earlier, because they are marked on the backs with old catalog reference numbers.<br />
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I used white ink and a metal quill pen as a youngster when we pasted our black and white photographs into black paged photo albums, and I'm guessing this was the same ink used to inscribe numbers on some of my older cash coins.<br />
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What I just discovered, looking on the web, is that they make white gel pens. I am wondering if they would work to mark on metal and be visible, like the old white ink was. If anyone knows the answer to this, let me know. Otherwise I'll buy a white gel pen and experiment.<br />
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Norman F. Gornyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01464716558615582279noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1591679242785440435.post-70523116899518423072016-05-14T10:12:00.000-07:002016-05-14T10:12:07.352-07:00Current eBay dealer in Fake Coins: best66666<span style="color: #f1c232;">Reference:</span> Fake Chinese Coin seller eBay ID <a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/best66666">best66666</a><br />
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I’ve been intending to do a write up on this eBay seller based in the Netherlands for a while, but only today have I found enough time to give them the treatment they deserve.<br />
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The seller <a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/best66666">best66666</a> can best be described as a seller of authentic junk coins (real coins that are in such poor condition that they are essentially worthless), authentic fakes of real coins usually made by casting from an original coin, and a small handful of authentic modern coins (such as PRC issues) thrown in just for good measure.<br />
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<i>What to do about this eBay seller?</i> Avoid them like the plague!<br />
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Many of their item descriptions contain very informative vignettes about the history behind the items, of course it’s the history behind the real items, of which their offerings are unmarked copies. The boldness of the lie only proves the truth of the saying,<span style="color: #c27ba0; font-style: italic;"> </span><span style="color: #76a5af;"><b>‘The bolder the lie, the more people you can get to believe it.’</b></span> Some of their listings include in the description such phrases as <b><span style="color: #e06666;">‘We guarantee all the items are as pictured!!!’</span></b> which is quite meaningless as to authenticity, or even <b><span style="color: #e06666;">‘Authenticity guaranteed for all items!’</span></b> which can still be ambiguous, because <i>what is authentic?</i><br />
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The normal understanding of <b><span style="color: #76a5af;">‘authentic’</span></b> as applied to coins and other historic artifacts means <b><span style="color: #6fa8dc;">‘the real thing’</span></b> in the sense of, <b><span style="color: #76a5af;">‘made at the time indicated by legitimate authorities.’</span></b><br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">eBay item number: <a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/Silver-Proof-Coin-Da-Guan-Tong-Bao-1107-1110-AD-Large-10-Cash-ANCIENT-CHINA-/252378727350?hash=item3ac2f1c3b6:g:JHEAAOSw-tNXISO6">252378727350</a></td></tr>
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<b><span style="color: #ffd966;">For example,</span></b> a large, value-10 cash of the <span style="color: #93c47d;">大灌 <b>Da Guan</b></span> era of emperor Huizong of the Northern Song dynasty must be a <b><span style="color: #93c47d;">copper coin</span></b> cast by state authorities between the years 1107 and 1110 AD. This example which can be found in the seller’s current auction is described as <b><span style="color: #e06666;">‘Silver Proof Coin Da Guan Tong Bao 1107-1110 AD Large 10-Cash ANCIENT CHINA’</span></b> in the title. The full description goes on to give the history of the real coins, and then they conclude with, <b><span style="color: #e06666;">‘Weight: 17.5 grams; Size: 40.5 mm. Very Attractive black silver tone, Extremely Rare!’</span></b><br />
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If this coin were copper the weight and diameter could be correct. They neglect to advise the customer that <b><span style="color: #76a5af;">there is no such thing as an authentic silver cash coin</span></b> in any era of history. Their notice <b><span style="color: #e06666;">‘Extremely Rare!’</span></b> is possibly the truest thing they are saying about this ‘coin,’ probably because they’ve only made one or two pieces.<br />
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Going back to the categorizations of what <a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/best66666">best66666</a> sells, we can summarise them by groups, and show examples.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #e06666; font-size: large;">Group I</span></b><br />
Items that are numismatically authentic, but in extremely poor condition.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #f6b26b; font-size: large;">Group II</span></b><br />
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<b><span style="color: #93c47d; font-size: large;">Group III</span></b> </div>
Items that are modern reproductions cast or struck with a high level of expertise.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #ffd966;">IN CONCLUSION</span></b><br />
If you are a collector of authentic coins, shop elsewhere.<br />
If you collect modern reproductions, or are looking to fill holes in your collection with well-made copies of otherwise unprocurable coins (or coins you couldn’t afford to buy as authentic pieces), you might find something here.<br />
If you expect the guarantees of authenticity from eBay or any seller on eBay who flaunts them, I expect you will get what you deserve.<br />
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The first rule of thumb in buying collectibles on eBay is,<br />
<b><span style="color: #76a5af;">‘If the seller has even one detectable fake in their auction, don’t buy anything from them.’</span></b><br />
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The second rule of them is,<br />
<b><span style="color: #76a5af;">‘Know your seller.’</span></b><br />
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Both rules assume as a starting point that you <b><span style="color: #76a5af;">know your collectible.</span></b><br />
If you are a newbie, ask a professional for guidance.<br />
Most are willing to give it free.<br />
I’m one of them.Norman F. Gornyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01464716558615582279noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1591679242785440435.post-60742690553513915842016-05-12T19:57:00.000-07:002016-05-12T20:10:13.297-07:00Current eBay dealer in Fake Coins: hmhm7004<b><span style="color: #f1c232;">Reference:</span> Fake Chinese Coin seller eBay ID <a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/hmhm7004">hmhm7004</a></b><br />
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This seller of authentic fakes (yes, I know, it's an oxymoron) has a rather pedestrian selection, things we've seen before, both cash coins and charms, and copies of struck coins, both fantasies and fakes of real coins. There's nothing here to write home about.<br />
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The company is based in Chengdu, Sichuan province, and I have been told that two provinces, at least, excel in the manufacture of fakes: Sichuan and Shandong. Perhaps, in future, if I can gather enough specimens of known manufacturers, I can have a contest among them to judge whose fakes are the most authentic and well-made.<br />
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I'd love to actually visit one of the places that makes the cash coin fakes in the traditional way. With the coming of the Republic, cash coin production ceased, and there can't be anyone still alive who was a furnace worker from those days. Perhaps the methodology is well-documented in China.<br />
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Among the fakes out there I have seen every kind—struck cash with fake granular fields (usually raised polka dots), cast coins very poorly made by using a real coin as the 母钱 <i>mǔ qián</i> or mother cash, cast coins made using originals but more carefully, and cast coins which look as though a new 母钱 <i>mǔ qián </i>was used, possibly made by CNC machining. (I used to be a machinist and ran a Haas CNC mill making aluminum machinery parts, so I know what I'm talking about.<i> See</i> the photo at the end of this post!)<br />
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These last can be works of art. I have a few iron specimens in my collection of fantasy reign titles but in the most exquisite calligraphy, 草书 <i>cǎo shū</i> or Grass script, for example. Take a look.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #6fa8dc;">Examples of well-made fantasies in my ‘black museum’ collection</span></b><br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Five Dynasties Period, IRON, 永安一百 <i>Yǒng'ān Yībǎi,</i> read RLTB,<br />
a most unorthodox reading!</td></tr>
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Of course, no such coin in any metal could have been produced in the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Dynasties_and_Ten_Kingdoms_period">Five Dynasties Period</a>. Both the module and the calligraphy are wrong. Still, it's a beautiful piece.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Supposed tp be Northern Song, but no such reign title exists.<br />
IRON, 犷明重宝 Guǎngmíng Zhòngbǎo,<br />
I am not really sure of the first two Chinese characters.</td></tr>
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Both these ‘coins’ were described by the seller as ‘Iron Mother Cash’. The first is 37mm in diameter, and the second is 40mm, both impressive pieces, and very well-made.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Northern Song Dynasty, 重和通宝 Chónghé Tōngbǎo,<br />
IRON, 35mm, described as ‘Mother Cash’.<br />
No authentic original exists in 草书 <i>cǎo shū</i> or Grass script.</td></tr>
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Remember, the three examples given above are NOT from the seller we are outing in this post. They are not from hmhm7004. I cannot now remember the seller I bought them from, but I did record what I paid for each. The first cost me USD $2.50, and the other two cost me USD $1 each. I hope I don't have to tell you that this was an incredible bargain.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #f1c232;">Fakes for sale today at <a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/hmhm7004">hmhm7004</a>'s auction on eBay</span></b></div>
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I am not going to comment on why they are fakes. If anyone has a question, you can email me at <b><span style="color: #6fa8dc;">normanfgorny@mail.com</span></b>, or you may leave a comment. I am going to limit myself to only ten pieces from this seller's auction. As far as I can tell, nothing is authentic, everything is modern-made. I will show you the best.</div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">One of several large cash with circular inscription reverses, <br />
collectible if you like all that bulk</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Ryukyu Islands fake, not worth having</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Dastardly and fantastic 'play money'</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Nice work, but too precise, <i><span style="color: #93c47d;">please recycle!</span></i></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Last emperor pattern, but a fake, collectible if you don't care<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><i>Good luck, <span style="color: #ffd966;">hum hum seven thousand four!</span></i></td></tr>
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Well, that's all I have time for tonight. I am still amazed at the industry that is going on right under our noses. At least none of today's fakes are deceptive, unless, of course, you're a newby to numismatics. If you are, please note: <b><span style="color: #f6b26b;">Caveat Emptor</span></b> — that's Latin for <b><span style="color: #e06666;">Let the Buyer Beware!</span></b><br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><i>C'est moi </i>at my fuddy duddy best, <i>a real poser!</i><br />Retired as of March 1, 2015.</td></tr>
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Norman F. Gornyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01464716558615582279noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1591679242785440435.post-53118420303395391152016-04-28T01:44:00.002-07:002016-04-28T08:35:28.349-07:00Current eBay dealer in Fake Coins: junguoxu2011<b><span style="color: #f1c232;">Reference:</span> Fake Chinese Coin seller eBay ID <a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/junguoxu2011">junguoxu2011</a></b><br />
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This dealer repeats the mistake that others made a few years ago when I first started outing Chinese sellers of fake cash. He includes a photo of a dig where coins are shown being dug up and poured out in huge piles. Yes, this really does happen. But then he makes the mistake of showing bulk quantities of the coins he is selling. Since the photo of the real coins is far too small to see the details, he thinks he can get away with it. Here, let's take a look!<br />
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The dig.<br />
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The dealer's bulk lots. You can order bulk coins from this pile: 20 pieces for $15, 50 pieces for $30. Using the same image, he calls the 20 for $15 offer Chinese old coins, etc., and the 50 for $30 he calls coins dug up in Java. Well, I've been to Java and seen what coins are dug up there and, believe you me, these are NOT them!<br />
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Here's a closeup.<br />
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And here's a typical sample of what you might get if you order.<br />
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Every coin pictured above is guaranteed fake. Guaranteed by whom? Well, it should by the seller. He should be honest and tell us something like this:<br />
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<b><span style="color: #ffd966;">Well-made modern reproductions of ancient and medieval Chinese historic coins, lightly artificially patinated, for decorative use, or for student education in numismatic science. Can supply specimens from all dynastic periods at reasonable prices.</span></b><br />
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Unfortunately, the Chinese sellers offering this stuff could care less about what they are doing to the numismatic community. They're only into it for the money, and they are betraying their country and culture.<br />
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I was going to post the listings of individual coins, but there are just too many. I have downloaded all of them, or almost all, from his auction current as of the date of this post, to be used in future articles on my blog or at my webpage.<br />
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Here are just a few of what he's selling today. All these coins are either over-sized versions of the real thing, or bronze versions of iron coins that would be of approximately the 34mm diameter that these fakes are.<br />
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<br />Norman F. Gornyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01464716558615582279noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1591679242785440435.post-16715273338076230862016-04-28T01:07:00.001-07:002016-04-28T01:34:15.709-07:00Make-Believe Certification that doesn't even try very hard!<b><span style="color: #f1c232;">Reference:</span> Fake Chinese Coin seller eBay ID <a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/junguoxu2011">junguoxu2011</a></b><br />
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What caught my eye at first were the beautifully made fake cash coins shown in 2x2 white mylar holders. Even though it's after midnight, I can't forsake my duty to divulge the identity of yet another purveyor of ‘let's pretend we have ancient coins’ on eBay. But after I looked at this seller's whole stock, I found what amazed me even more—slabbed coins similar to the discovery disclosed in my previous post, only these slabs are even more ‘pretend’ than the others. It's almost the work of a thirteen year old who is playing at being a grown-up numismatist. Take a look at these slabs and their labelling!<br />
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HAGS Genuine is what the front label proclaims without exactly telling us who or what HAGS stands for, or what is genuine. Is it the slab, the label, what? And the skinny strip of bar coding below—what is that? some kind of magic symbol that is supposed to take away our fear that what is slabbed might be fake? <i>Give me a break!</i><br />
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The label on the back is even more mystical. Along with its funny, circular logo, it now looks like it says HAGS & World. Then, above that, in a nice box, it proclaims, ‘The most professional accreditation bodies.’ <i>Whoopee! I am so impressed!</i> But then, as a final mark of authenticity, at the bottom of the label is ‘The Authority of Justice.’<br />
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And I thought we had hit the gravelly bottom of the Yangtze when we ran into China-Changbao.com! At least they looked like they were trying to deceive. HAGS, on the other hand, doesn't even try to deceive, or else they think that most eBayers are as dumb as stumps.<br />
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I am so tired of this. Now, as to the fake cash coins. I have to dedicate a post specially to the fake cash coins of this new arrival, <b><a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/junguoxu2011">junguoxu2011</a>. </b>He's done a far better job (from his point of view, I'm sure) at convincing us of the authenticity of his wares.Norman F. Gornyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01464716558615582279noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1591679242785440435.post-4816994520351304662016-04-25T18:56:00.001-07:002016-04-28T00:19:35.216-07:00Hang on to your seats! Fake coins certified by fake Certification Companies!<b><span style="color: #f1c232;">Reference:</span> Fake Chinese Coin seller eBay ID <a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/weichunfang1128?_trksid=p2047675.l2559">weichunfang1128</a></b><br />
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Poor, innocent me, a small town Illinois boy living out on the edge of a cliff on the West Coast! Good thing I started studying foreign languages at the age of eight. Chinese, Russian and Hebrew I took up around age thirteen. Not the Russian, but the Chinese and Hebrew and a few others I've never stopped learning. A lot of it has to do with my insatiable interest in foreign cultures and their coins.<br />
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So even though I started out life as a Tom Sawyer in the 1950's, I learned my stuff, and I'm here to make sure no one hoodwinks any of you out there who might share my childhood through adulthood passion—foreign coins! After putting together my last post, I lingered at eBay a minute or two, and then came across the following boldfaced assault on numismatic integrity.</div>
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A company in China, with a webpage, <a href="http://www.china-changbao.com/">www.china-changbao.com</a>, has set itself up as a slabbed coin certifier of Chinese coins. The first one that met my eyes was this 'dollar', called by the <a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/weichunfang1128?_trksid=p2047675.l2559">seller</a> a "<a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/1929-China-Silver-Coin-Memento-Sun-Yat-Sen-Silver-Coin-1-/322087125468?hash=item4afde381dc:g:CzcAAOSw-tNXHpxd">1929 China Silver Coin, Memento Sun Yat Sen Silver Coin $1</a>".<br />
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The coin is in a slab, a very official looking one, complete with serial numbers and barcode, and on the back of the slab, barely visible at the top, is the web address that I referenced above. The coin is graded at MS-60, that is, Mint State 60. Looking at the piece, it's obvious from the photograph that both sides of the coin have been harshly, abrasively cleaned. There are scratches all over the piece. The other point is that this is not a 'Memento Dollar' but instead (if my memory serves me right) an example or a copy of a rare 'Junk Dollar' pattern designed by an Italian designer.<br />
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It's quite obvious that some Chinese are utterly contemptuous of Western standards in numismatics, not only claiming qualification to grade coins, but even asserting (by silence) the coin's authenticity. It was bad enough in the old days when one had to watch out for the occasional cagey or dishonest coin dealer. Now we have to watch out for fake grading services. I suppose this is not new. It's just I have not had to deal with it before.<br />
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Future generations are really going to have a field day trying to separate fakes from authentic coins. In the case of better made fakes, some are so exact that for all practical purposes they are indistinguishable. Not, however, with this piece. Wherever it goes from that starting bid of US $0.01, I hope only that the fraud is discovered quickly and dispensed with.</div>
Norman F. Gornyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01464716558615582279noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1591679242785440435.post-11685944523715495892016-04-25T18:45:00.000-07:002016-04-28T00:29:27.651-07:00Current eBay Dealer in Fake Coins: anhuijieshou2013<b><span style="color: #f1c232;">Reference:</span> Fake Chinese Coin seller eBay ID </b><a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/anhuijieshou2013"><b>anhuijieshou2013</b></a><br />
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It really is time to return to a determined hunt for these dealers of fake coins, but it's like, you don't have to look far. As soon as I open eBay and it goes to my default view "Coins: World" and Sort: "Price + Shipping: lowest first" I am usually face to face with a fake coin. That's exactly what happened this afternoon. The guest of honor? <a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/anhuijieshou2013"><b>anhuijieshou2013</b></a>.<br />
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What's odd about this dealer is, I think this seller is trying 'something new' that is not really in his line. I think that his original inventory may not be coins at all, but women's clothes. Why? In better than average Chenglish, after describing the item for sale as "China Ancient Copper coin Diameter: 30mm", the description continues, "If you feel the size is a bit small, it's normal. The underwear is stretchable so the size looks smaller but it actually fits you well."<br />
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This dealer currently has listed 33 'coins' for sale, a mix of struck coppers and imitations of cash coins or charms in cash coin format, along with one 'tally' (a sort of holed rectangular copper tablet used in ancient times for financial purposes). After my last post, I can see that if I show every coin that a dealer is selling, I could be here for hours. Rule of thumb, if even one coin is a guaranteed fake (that is, from <i>our </i>point of view, not from a Chinese merchant's) it's best to avoid all his offerings, unless you (like me) are on the look out for some interesting copies of rare coins, or fantasy pieces that you can put on your coffee table as conversation starters.<br />
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I wonder how the seller's handle is written in Chinese. Ānhuī 安徽 is the name of a province. Jieshou could be written in a n umber of ways, but one of them, Jiěshǒu 解手 means 'to relieve oneself.'<br />
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As for the coins. Here's a few of the struck coinage types, fake because these are not coins that could be sold on eBay starting at $0.01. The volume and variety of struck Chinese copies and fantasies is bewildering. Modern technology and Chinese ingenuity have flooded the market with worthless scrap metal in the shape of historic coins.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #f1c232;">Group 1: Execution too precise</span></b><br />
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<b><span style="color: #e06666;">Group 2: Fantasies never struck officially</span></b></div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">The real coin based on this pattern is a 20 cash piece denominated as 雙枚 Shuāng méi.</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">This one looks real because of the patina and wear, but examination in hand would probably prove it to be a well-made fake.</td></tr>
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<b><span style="color: #6aa84f;">Group 4: Fake 天下太平 Tiānxià Tàipíng Charms</span></b><br />
A series of charms was issued during the Qing dynasty with this inscription on one side, which means essentially 'Peace and Harmony Everywhere' and on the other side the usual imperial inscription, the emperor's reign title and 通寶 Tōng Bǎo, 'circulating treasure'.<br />
Authentic charms of this type, as issued, did not have any carving in the rims. In fact, no cash coins or cash type charms are ever cast with carvings in the rims. (A few types have characters cast into the rims, but this looks different.) All carvings are added later. The fake charms shown below cannot be authentic for reasons other than the carvings. Calligraphy and module are just not correct on these. Also, an important aspect to notice about cash coins is, the edges are always cast square. Any cash coin with excessively rounded edges on both faces is highly suspect. This is the most common sign that a large size cash coin is a modern fake.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #c27ba0;">Group 5: Miscellaneous Fake Charms and Cash</span></b></div>
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My conclusion about this seller is that his fakes are not really good enough to collect as well-made copies of rare coins, and his fantasy pieces are pretty pedestrian. Perhaps if he normally sells women's underthings, some of the ladies might enjoy having one or two of these charms on their dressing table or in a jewel box, but that's about all they're worth from a collectors point of view.</div>
Norman F. Gornyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01464716558615582279noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1591679242785440435.post-74064364622196483932016-04-13T22:45:00.001-07:002016-04-28T00:34:50.694-07:00Current eBay Dealer in Fake Cash: angelia79099<b><span style="color: #f1c232;">Reference:</span> Fake Chinese Coin seller eBay ID </b><a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/angelia79099?_trksid=p2047675.l2559"><b>angelia79099</b></a><br />
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<i>I am back!</i> bringing up to date, as they happen, close ups of eBay sellers who are supplying fake (modern copies, unmarked as such) cash coins and also fantasy items that look like ancient pieces to the collecting public.<br />
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Not to insult anyone's intelligence, but there are a lot of people out there who are really new at collecting, and since eBay doesn't really have anyone who knows what they're doing when it comes to counterfeit items being sold on their web site, well, I guess I'll have to do it.</div>
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One thing I want to say, though. There are some pretty darn good copies of rare Chinese cash, and even some really artistic and well-made imitations and fantasies that are actually worth collecting. So, I am not providing this service to ruin anyone's business. In fact, I wish there were more sellers in China who were willing to sell these reproductions 'as is' without messing them up with fake, painted-on patinas, etc. Some of the metal working on these pieces is to die for, <i>honestly</i>.<br />
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If you <i>do </i>buy some good quality FAKES for inclusion in your collection, be sure they're properly marked as such, as FAKE or COPY. You don't have to stamp them. You can write on the back in white ink (as collectors in olden times used to do) 'COPY' or 'FAKE', or you can keep them in black envelopes as I do. My cash collections are color-coded: Tan = ordinary cash, Green = expensive, rare ($$$) cash, Red = Iron cash, Black = FAKES, <i>etc.</i><br />
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I also put a sticky label on each envelope with the rubbing and information, so you can't go wrong, or accidentally put a coin in the wrong envelope. On my labels, the R# in the lower right corner is the Rarity: if it says RF, that means FAKE. See examples.</div>
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Okay, so yesterday morning I was engaging in one of my favorite meditations... looking at eBay coin listings and finding fakes. I hadn't noticed <a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/angelia79099?_trksid=p2047675.l2559"><b>angelia79099</b></a> before. Some of their stuff really is nice, and I'd buy a few pieces for my black museum, except I'm kind of broke at the moment. Perhaps if you find this post soon enough, and you like any of the items I show below, you might go to their auction or buy it now, and get them for your black museum.</div>
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('Black museum' is slang for a museum of criminal or counterfeit artifacts. It has nothing to do with what in America is called 'Black Culture.')</div>
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Some of <a href="http://www.ebay.com/usr/angelia79099?_trksid=p2047675.l2559"><b>angelia79099</b></a>'s eBay lots for the week of April 11, 2016...</div>
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Gornyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01464716558615582279noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1591679242785440435.post-2015114255520820012010-12-03T12:21:00.000-08:002010-12-03T12:22:52.715-08:00Former eBay dealer xiangxiangkafeizha Zhou Diye has a new webpage<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjqz9Y_BCgFQ_bb-7PDxRrFgDSZJyl6KgEKUg4K06P9gat4RURkaKqkWTDQiKB1Vx5UhU1bducP-CHF_lx7t7FhdMHF-42hVKGuAYDSzR2uJhXeq0OMhar3odK0__-AChQlQvKmTeNx2kU/s1600/zhou_diye.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 215px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjqz9Y_BCgFQ_bb-7PDxRrFgDSZJyl6KgEKUg4K06P9gat4RURkaKqkWTDQiKB1Vx5UhU1bducP-CHF_lx7t7FhdMHF-42hVKGuAYDSzR2uJhXeq0OMhar3odK0__-AChQlQvKmTeNx2kU/s400/zhou_diye.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5546551338712526322" /></a>I just received an email message from a (former) eBay dealer in Chinese coins, who has always been a reliable source of authentic pieces, never selling fakes. His name is Zhou Diye, and his eBay name was xiangxiangkafeizha. If you go to my blog <a href="http://fakecash.blogspot.com/"><i>Fake Chinese Cash on eBay</i></a>, you will see that I have rated him as a <a href="http://fakecash.blogspot.com/2010/02/independent-ebay-dealer-rating-in-coins.html">1st Class dealer</a>, always genuine coins only.<div><br /></div><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhryysH7YBVV1sxqxZL75phCdtVSzNFBS9_T2UHMdMD1TKuKB3MpcpQBgwRtyIRjpQPub9aIMsoVagZrDGLRUgER32D68WHyVA-IH36_iggSppempUYzdhJ_TkhtUNO2VN_s-PNEYn_-ZM/s1600/xiangxiangkafeizha.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 314px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhryysH7YBVV1sxqxZL75phCdtVSzNFBS9_T2UHMdMD1TKuKB3MpcpQBgwRtyIRjpQPub9aIMsoVagZrDGLRUgER32D68WHyVA-IH36_iggSppempUYzdhJ_TkhtUNO2VN_s-PNEYn_-ZM/s400/xiangxiangkafeizha.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5546553327177270162" /></a><div>Mr Zhou advises me that he has a new webpage for selling Chinese cash, and so I am bringing it to your attention, with my recommendation. The page is called <i><b>Diye's Coins Shop</b></i>, and you can link to it by clicking <a href="http://chinese-coins.auctivacommerce.com/Default.aspx"><i>HERE</i></a>. I don't understand why eBay tolerates the selling of fake Chinese cash and suppresses or in other ways discourages dealers in authentic Chinese coins.</div><div><br /></div><div>Besides what he lists on his new webpage, you can also contact him with special requests, and he will always give you good service at a good price.</div>Norman F. Gornyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01464716558615582279noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1591679242785440435.post-19451593085038626322010-02-27T19:00:00.000-08:002010-03-07T17:52:26.374-08:00Fake Chinese Cash on eBay<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi7kzwmqGoVps4qfF0VNnLlGlhErUD2LsEjNHmGWKKglZvQtkPP_Gxu0xfpkYfVEmwUQunF_qW8ehfaJgQW_THacKY1UNLfaILqYljNTko_ljyprkRY4S0QoQS_KPg9-7JpSiC13pIiRYU/s1600-h/fake_ancient_chinese_coins.jpg.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 300px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi7kzwmqGoVps4qfF0VNnLlGlhErUD2LsEjNHmGWKKglZvQtkPP_Gxu0xfpkYfVEmwUQunF_qW8ehfaJgQW_THacKY1UNLfaILqYljNTko_ljyprkRY4S0QoQS_KPg9-7JpSiC13pIiRYU/s400/fake_ancient_chinese_coins.jpg.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443920736110156834" /></a><br /><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;"><b>Fake ancient Chinese coins ready for export… to eBay!</b></span></i><br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh4jTYFaaxhTQmjr8JnQY1al1jp6xUDtw8-oUhH2a_SHcKDEILaFtgvH_606tWez3rQcjnq1XMNEYWJ7-6TbQcEjiWUcz5d3xaKfKGSv-SzwzMs5CZZO5DvPFcWYCo0uLaHgq7sPnTsK4k/s1600-h/800px-EBay_Logo.jpg"><img style="float:right; margin:0 0 0px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 160px; height: 66px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh4jTYFaaxhTQmjr8JnQY1al1jp6xUDtw8-oUhH2a_SHcKDEILaFtgvH_606tWez3rQcjnq1XMNEYWJ7-6TbQcEjiWUcz5d3xaKfKGSv-SzwzMs5CZZO5DvPFcWYCo0uLaHgq7sPnTsK4k/s200/800px-EBay_Logo.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443139289179269474" /></a><div>Everyone who collects Chinese cash coins and knows about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBay">eBay</a><i> also </i>knows that <a href="http://coins.shop.ebay.com/China-/4740/i.html?_armrs=1&_mdo=Coins-Paper-Money&_mspp=&_pcats=4733,11116">you can buy cash coins at auction on that site</a>.</div><div><br />For the past nearly ten years, eBay has been the source of most of my acquisitions in cash coins, both of bulk quantities, and of smaller groups and individual pieces. This is not, however, where I started out, and I also <i>do </i>acquire new material from non-eBay sources even now. <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#66CCCC;"><i>The Da Guan value-10 cash shown below (from my reference collection) is authentic.</i></span><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgLWkGBod054aX2yQhBzTJHG2g-zHl7OsXxTTrnF2JEO16Gr29JS09salnvrggSs4KHxSGvoi0rnZLBMnPn_T6QO5KfYIJw9VSPU4RzRNDQOro4CpRM9UIhlGXr3uUQpUu2kZsDhfDBYY8/s1600-h/daguan-10.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:7px 10px 0px 0px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 150px; height: 150px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgLWkGBod054aX2yQhBzTJHG2g-zHl7OsXxTTrnF2JEO16Gr29JS09salnvrggSs4KHxSGvoi0rnZLBMnPn_T6QO5KfYIJw9VSPU4RzRNDQOro4CpRM9UIhlGXr3uUQpUu2kZsDhfDBYY8/s200/daguan-10.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443141539465107618" /></a>My original domestic source of oriental cash coins as well as my first books about them was <a href="http://www.coincoin.com/directory.htm">Scott Semans</a>, originally of Ohio, then New Orleans, and now in the Seattle area. He perhaps no longer deals in cash as he once did, though he still is a very important source of literature on the series. The current non-eBay, domestic (U.S.) sources of genuine oriental cash coins are <a href="http://www.fsrcoin.com/">Frank Robinson</a> of Albany, New York, and <a href="http://www.anythinganywhere.com/index.htm">Anything Anywhere</a>, formerly of Oregon (that’s where I met Bob Reis) and now for many years of Raleigh, North Carolina.<br /><br />Not everyone who collects Chinese cash coins and knows about eBay also knows that a majority percentage of what is sold as <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#66CCCC;">Chinese cash</span></i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#66CCCC;">,</span> and as <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC6600;">modern struck Chinese</span></i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC6600;">,</span> on eBay is <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;">fake</span></i>.<br /><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;"><br />What do I mean by fake?</span></i><br /><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFFFFF;">A coin that is made at the present day or within the very recent past in conscious imitation of an authentic coin. Also, a coin that is knowingly sold as “genuine” when the dealer in fact knows it is not.</span><br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjOyFMVRXshcvYWTlR9UEvcH9sXq-fiEYaX20fxmFWS4kEQSjPcrk-zZ1eHOzgjE_RBGqkdqmCMRfowTi2BCWnFnDNDFJRefBYVzdliwwbZZVuBoA47TjwZsF7DQU_YSlSmOZ8HNRIDgeA/s1600-h/da-guan-value10-fake.jpg"><img style="float:right; margin:7px 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 170px; height: 150px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjOyFMVRXshcvYWTlR9UEvcH9sXq-fiEYaX20fxmFWS4kEQSjPcrk-zZ1eHOzgjE_RBGqkdqmCMRfowTi2BCWnFnDNDFJRefBYVzdliwwbZZVuBoA47TjwZsF7DQU_YSlSmOZ8HNRIDgeA/s200/da-guan-value10-fake.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443143961123544786" /></a>Curiously, you will notice that the most successful and plentiful dealers of Chinese <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;">fakes </span></i>are eBay sellers with 100% satisfaction rates, as well as other “awards” granted by eBay. Obviously, on eBay’s side, they must have found a gigantic loop-hole for allowing this trafficking in false coins to go on. Perhaps it’s in the hazy definition of “genuine”. A <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;">fake </span></i>Chinese cash coin is a genuine article of what it is, a cash coin to all appearances, sometimes even cast with the same traditional techniques as the originals. <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;">The Da Guan value-10 coin shown above is an eBay fake.</span></i><br /><i><br /><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFCC66;">But let’s get down to brass tacks.</span></i> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFFFFF;">No official cash coins have been issued in China since 1912, or in Viet Nam since the mid-1950’s at the latest. A few genuine cash coin types have been machine struck, but all the rest have been cast in molds and hand-finished by filing and polishing.</span> The majority of the cash coins on auction or for sale (Buy It Now) on eBay are <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;">fakes</span></i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;">.</span> <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFCC66;">They don’t qualify as genuine cash coins at all. </span></i></div><div><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;"><br /></span></i></div><div><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFCC66;"></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;">The souvenir card shown below of "Chinese Old Coins" contains only fakes of Qing Dynasty cash.</span></i><br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh6Uv7gbduYa04e-oemVtJ8hRVmTJ0KHHl3UdahGdvmvdGybGgAWw6zXd2U6gg3It_iz0GcJuL_y1AJz-KH0BF9LFtnI1Ky-aV-Sv-e_u_FdenijvX5dvigyf9oHpFbY0ZjtcrFk8uh_Qs/s1600-h/fake-chinese-coin-set.jpg"><img style="float:right; margin:0 0 0px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 170px; height: 121px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh6Uv7gbduYa04e-oemVtJ8hRVmTJ0KHHl3UdahGdvmvdGybGgAWw6zXd2U6gg3It_iz0GcJuL_y1AJz-KH0BF9LFtnI1Ky-aV-Sv-e_u_FdenijvX5dvigyf9oHpFbY0ZjtcrFk8uh_Qs/s200/fake-chinese-coin-set.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443149851801581394" /></a>There are a lot of collectors out there who <i>don’t</i> know their material, and the same is true of many eBay <i>dealers</i>. Chinese and other oriental cash are <i>a completely different genre</i> from western, machine-made coinage. You have to handle the genuine item repeatedly and broadly before you can judge whether a coin is genuine or not. You also need to invest in the <i>literature</i>, the coin catalogs, that cover the series. A seasoned collector of cash coins can easily spot a <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;">fake</span></i> on eBay, even from the photograph. <a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgdoPcyAHoknmZ0UznbiSoJeUC3YN2n2TcpXJZqiZI49i6UY7G0St6_lvRMmr2GmxtjUvUGnoVpZTg76_uKRS1Uextm3MyKIqFHH9milurX_zSbkFZXxu32Xoy-TrmJk1LAZS15sOEcfC0/s1600-h/taiping-zhongbao-fantasy.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:7px 10px 0px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 150px; height: 150px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgdoPcyAHoknmZ0UznbiSoJeUC3YN2n2TcpXJZqiZI49i6UY7G0St6_lvRMmr2GmxtjUvUGnoVpZTg76_uKRS1Uextm3MyKIqFHH9milurX_zSbkFZXxu32Xoy-TrmJk1LAZS15sOEcfC0/s200/taiping-zhongbao-fantasy.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443151250300777826" /></a>The <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;">fakes </span></i>are <i>just that dumb</i>, but their makers are assuming that <i>we </i>are also <i>just that dumb</i>, and apparently they’re correct. There’s more than enough ignorant collectors and connoisseurs of ancient coins (not just the cash series) that the making and selling of <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;"><i>fakes</i></span> to this group is a sustainable industry.<br /><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;"><br />The Tai Ping coin shown above is a modern fantasy cash.</span></i><br /><div><br />There are also some <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;"><i>fakes</i></span> that are so deceptive that <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFCC66;">they fool even reputable dealers and collectors.</span></i> The only safeguard anyone has is to buy from a dealer who openly guarantees the authenticity of everything he sells. If you discover that a coin is a <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;">fake</span></i>, he will take it back and refund your money. The problem is, the dealers in <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;">fakes </span></i>usually make the same guarantee, because they are (unfortunately) correct in their assumption that if a person buys from <i>them</i>, he is an ignoramus who doesn’t know a real coin from a <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;">fake</span></i>, and possibly never will.</div></div>Norman F. Gornyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01464716558615582279noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1591679242785440435.post-72707566984097840902010-02-27T18:00:00.000-08:002010-03-01T22:43:44.062-08:00eBay, Coins: Ancient > China — Auctions listed the morning of February 26, 2010<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhtXJBgR-iwJQC1ebryvbjNNYJts8SU7FBsaNzZE7H3q5uh1INXYbZMvsWEAirqK0cxLxq3wSJsl5XipaxDTEIVMMUuFl-utQ7Bbb9RM40IHcAYY57cHhr9kjJebpxLbm_4adUlXxC_4fQ/s1600-h/fake_ancient_coins_from_china.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 300px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhtXJBgR-iwJQC1ebryvbjNNYJts8SU7FBsaNzZE7H3q5uh1INXYbZMvsWEAirqK0cxLxq3wSJsl5XipaxDTEIVMMUuFl-utQ7Bbb9RM40IHcAYY57cHhr9kjJebpxLbm_4adUlXxC_4fQ/s400/fake_ancient_coins_from_china.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443923015990012050" /></a><br /><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;"><i>Don't think that cash coins are being counterfeited?<br />Take a closer look...<br /></i></span></b><br />I have been rather loose in saying that 99% of the Chinese coins being sold on eBay are <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;">fakes</span></i>, and I knew that it couldn’t be so. Perhaps 99% are fakes <i>and </i>stupid made-for-collectors junk, and modern bullion pieces, but I knew my saying 99% are <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;"><i>fakes </i></span>simply <i>couldn’t </i>be accurate.<br /><br />Although I collect Chinese and other Asian <i>struck</i> coinages, my main interest has always been Chinese cash coins, so I decided to do an analysis of this morning’s auctions.<br /><br />I copied every one of the <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFFFFF;">1,470 auctions</span> that were listed on <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFFFFF;">eBay USA</span> this morning in the category: <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFFFFF;">Coins & Paper Money > Coins: Ancient > China</span> into an Excel spreadsheet. Then, with the eBay window open, and sorting from <i>ending soonest</i> to <i>listed most recently</i> (the order in which I copied the auctions), I reviewed <i>every </i>auction, and entered in my spreadsheet an <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFFFFF;"><b>‘x’</b></span> in <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#66CCCC;"><b>Real</b></span><b> </b>or <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;"><b>Fake</b></span><b> </b>and then in some cases in <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#66FF99;"><b>NA</b></span> (not applicable, <i>e.g.,</i> digital scales, books,<i> etc.</i>), in <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC6600;"><b>NC</b></span><b> </b>(coins, but not in <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#66CCCC;">cash coin</span></i> format), or in <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FF99FF;"><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC66CC;">Dumb</span> </b></span>(a category of <i>real </i>coin where the attribution was incorrect or just ignorant). In some cases, into the <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC66CC;">dumb</span></i><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC66CC;"> </span></i>category went an auction that looked like a willful attempt to <i>deceive </i>or <i>mislead</i>, using a <i>real </i>coin in a <i>wrong</i> way.<br /><br /><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#66FF99;"><b>These were the results: </b></span><br /><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFFFFF;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">1,470</span></span></b> - Lots at auction<br /><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">1,132</span></span></b> - Lots containing fake coins <b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">(77.01%) </span></span></b><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#333333;">0,</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#66CCCC;">314</span></span></b> - Lots containing genuine coins <b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#66CCCC;">(21.36%) </span></span></b></div><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#333333;">0,0</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#66FF99;">24</span></span></b> - Lots containing items other than coins <b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#66FF99;">(1.63%)</span></span></b><br /><br />Then I analyzed the number of individual<b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFFFFF;"> </span></b><i><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFFFFF;">eBay sellers</span></b></i> who were listing in this auction. </div><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFFFFF;">75</span></span></b> - eBay Sellers</div><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;">38</span></span></b> - eBay Sellers of <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;">fakes </span></i>of any type <b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;">(50.67%) </span></span></b></div><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#66CCCC;">37</span></span></b> - eBay Sellers of authentic coins of any type <b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#66CCCC;">(49.33%) </span></span></b></div><div><br />The margin of error must be weighted in favor of the dealers of <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;">fake </span></i>coins, because there is a likelihood that a <i>small </i>percentage (less than 5%) of coins in the auctions of dealers of genuine coins might be <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;">unrecognized fakes</span></i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC0000;">.</span><br /><br />These statistics were derived from an analysis of today’s eBay listings at about 8 a.m. PST, essentially a snapshot of one eBay auction category for analysis.<br /><br />Of course, the auction went on without me, and the statistics are what they are, an analysis of just one random moment in time. Nonetheless <i>they tell a lot.</i></div>Norman F. Gornyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01464716558615582279noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1591679242785440435.post-23371404659862329232010-02-27T17:00:00.000-08:002010-06-25T06:06:53.647-07:00Independent eBay Dealer Rating in Coins: Ancient > China<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiqyw1-hcHuNKfpDsFzpqslK_Q2D14m8oq0X6OuWLP_YVyJfN3DxD_g3xB08cwaPNEiYY4ys3-6BLMptz0PbvLswLKoKNu-CIf7tPsef2ODkZ0ohT-tOec-wf_kdt_6I7U-0cmdmsIQMeE/s1600-h/xinhuanet.jpg"><img style="MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; WIDTH: 304px; FLOAT: left; HEIGHT: 400px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5444528155807539394" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiqyw1-hcHuNKfpDsFzpqslK_Q2D14m8oq0X6OuWLP_YVyJfN3DxD_g3xB08cwaPNEiYY4ys3-6BLMptz0PbvLswLKoKNu-CIf7tPsef2ODkZ0ohT-tOec-wf_kdt_6I7U-0cmdmsIQMeE/s400/xinhuanet.jpg" /></a><strong><span style="color:#66cccc;"><em>Real cash coins are plentiful.<br /><span style="color:#cc0000;">Don't buy fakes!<br /><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#33CCFF;">These are REAL.</span><br /></span></em></span></strong><div></div><br /><div>I have been using for some years a website put up by Lars Bo of Denmark which takes in hand the issue of <b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#ffffff;">eBay dealers of Chinese coins</span></b>, separating the <i>legitimate </i>from those that sell <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;">fakes.</span></i> His website, <a href="http://chinesecoins.lyq.dk/eBaydealers.html">eBay Dealers and More</a>, is linked in the side panel of this blog, but I wanted to do a complementary page of my own, based on current conditions, and with my own remarks and advices.<br /><div><br />Using the list of dealers listing auctions today, and supplementing that with a few that were not up today, I want to provide the following breakdown of eBay dealers. This breakdown is based on my own dealing with the eBay sellers in question, my experience with them, in the case of those who sell authentic coins. I have <i>not </i>dealt with any of the dealers of <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;">fakes </span></i>except on a couple of occasions when I wanted to obtain a <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#ffffff;">very high quality (deceptive) copy</span></i> of a rare coin to be used in an educational setting. My reference collection is, as far as it is in my power and luck, composed of only <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#66cccc;">authentic </span></i>pieces, with a handful of <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#ff6600;">marked copies</span></i> <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;">(fakes).</span></i> I will point out who are the purveyors of the <i>best <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;">fakes</span>,</i> if that weren’t already obvious. I am only listing dealers that sell <i>cash </i>coins, with one or two exceptions as marked. The list is not intended to be exhaustive. 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WIDTH: 81px; FLOAT: left; HEIGHT: 81px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443338684575981922" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjgmf9GCTzqoo9Cdfwa_Oi38u8GXBtx-rL-451_5Z0fBbPNorAHVvw-tAAssbzXYHLEhEQHkfMbFctU2QeoPsgjRx6XNWxDvzZhW7CnLs31v6CRP26zMlJ306yGaFe8ZuCwRaarKHvZnYM/s200/hoard-nsong.jpg" /></a><br /><br /><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#66cccc;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">1st Class</span> – Dealers with 99% or higher of authentic coins</span></b><br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/asean_coins_wholesaler/">asean_coins_wholesaler</a> (812) – No problems ever<a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/coinsxzh/"></a></div><div><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/coinsxzh/">coinsxzh</a> (1955) – No problems ever<br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/dong_hua_zhai/">dong_hua_zhai</a> (1162) – No problems ever</div><div><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/i_am_dp/">i_am_dp</a> (825) – Miscellaneous world and Chinese, some cash</div><div><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/javaman691/">javaman691</a> (7840) – Cash coins and coins used in Indonesia<br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/jimfarr3/">jimfarr3</a> ( 5499) – Cash coins and general Asian coins<br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/leoeric66">leoeric66</a> ( 1059) – Chinese and Asian struck coinage<br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/lindascoin/">lindascoin</a> ( 4499) – Cash as well as most other types, ancient and modern; <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#ffcc66;">some reports of fakes have been forwarded to me in this dealer’s vast offerings,</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#66cccc;"> but nothing I have bought has ever been anything but genuine</span></i><br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/wattwat/">wattwat</a> ( 6714) – No problems ever, most reliable and consistent<br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/xiangxiangkafeizha/">xiangxiangkafeizha</a> ( 1783) – No problems, good source of bulk cash<br /><br /><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#99ff99;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">2nd Class</span> – Dealers that seem to sell only authentic coins<br />(I have not dealt with them, only reviewed their listings)</span></b><br />amunre ( 18545)<br />beeman6 ( 865)<br />caz-10 ( 9327)<br />cfancients ( 3366) – Real coins, but ignorant and misidentified<br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/chinese-ancient-coin/">chinese-ancient-coin</a> (1404) – Real coins, but cash coins look cleaned or processed<br />cmy99 ( 296)<br />dadandtam ( 1735)<br />darrellschweitzer_pa ( 6748)<br />dcdnyc7bqi ( 517)<br />evalmedi ( 568)<br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/forumancientcoins/">forumancientcoins</a> ( 2653) - Not usually cash coins<br />gdsto3982 ( 424) – Real, but not cash coins<br />godwinhs ( 59)<br />houte6154 ( 25)<br />its2latebaby ( 886)<br />joeperadua ( 1900) – Real, but overpriced and junk<br />joethecoinguy ( 1729) – Real coins presented in souvenir cards<br />kyfd175 ( 71) – Real gold coins (modern) in jewelry mounts<br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/larsbo_c/">larsbo_c</a> ( 512) – His webpage is <a href="http://chinesecoins.lyq.dk/"><i>Ancient Chinese Coins</i></a></div><br /><div>loveslave64 ( 200) – Real, but misidentified and junk<br />mindsimk ( 353) – Real, but ignorant and misidentified<br />plhantiques ( 588) – Real, but grossly overpriced<br />pmgant ( 13267)<br />prophetconsulting ( 346)<br />qazw69 ( 8 ) – Real coins, but in the wrong category<br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/quanchengqianwang/">quanchengqianwang</a> ( 718) – Probably only authentic coins<br />sheree987 ( 3127)<br />shuvanhi ( 450) – Real, but overpriced<br />thimblemill ( 8498)<br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/tomtangmu/">tomtangmu</a> ( 324) – Probably only authentic coins<br />tookieb1rd ( 56)<br />wanitold50 ( 144)<br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/yrf0420/">yrf0420</a> ( 4264) – Probably only authentic coins<br /><br /><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#ffcc66;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">3rd Class</span> – Dealers who sell authentic coins mixed with fakes</span></b><br />artifactsuk ( 2227) – <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;">Fakes </span></i>and remisidentified and overpriced<br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/coin.papermoney/">coin.papermoney</a> ( 22) – <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;">Fakes </span></i>mixed with authentic cheap Northern Song cash<br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/xianfeng-baby/">xianfeng-baby</a> ( 45) – Most cash are real, but some are very deceptive <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;"><i>fakes</i></span><br /><br /><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">All Silver Cash Coins on eBay are Fakes!</span></span></b></div><br /><div><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal" class="Apple-style-span"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#ffffff;">The coins pictured below are cast in silver. No cash coins have ever been cast in silver for general circulation. The selection below purports to be from all time periods, but all are modern fantasies.</span></span></b></div><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhDOrcbPPC9Ltc7VHzwlKOEI9p76pZQ_HaxkjbJPP6VT03mrUR4o5Oa2PMK54jeT7IBgStuvab3gjfeyNwxNBQFlEEjAw8iQknofj8Hov2djxB9isz0n7d9JUzOwLXNHA1hIwVy522Bomc/s1600-h/80+(7).jpg"><img style="MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; WIDTH: 81px; FLOAT: left; HEIGHT: 83px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443365972572640482" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhDOrcbPPC9Ltc7VHzwlKOEI9p76pZQ_HaxkjbJPP6VT03mrUR4o5Oa2PMK54jeT7IBgStuvab3gjfeyNwxNBQFlEEjAw8iQknofj8Hov2djxB9isz0n7d9JUzOwLXNHA1hIwVy522Bomc/s200/80+(7).jpg" /></a><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjOrkdaTAwU1m-ghy5IzgVtB8DKXgrklHgVdBZcI_WVKpIpmV4j_4HPdZ6lCQtaa2z5st8bTetFwakqfw7fgeThdDU-bXOBeHQ8Cp2UCTvm1VqPP-sjt4O5t9WYq_EYsQxhNzgkjgk2XKk/s1600-h/80+(6).jpg"><img style="MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; 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WIDTH: 81px; FLOAT: left; HEIGHT: 83px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443365834734424274" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEge2dlW7RPGM5fc2dGCRiXKf-8moAMA1xfz3sWv5EvbRKaZXr6_3P22k2tgHqb13NxrBj7lTp82fHzyqAQPxHRuNqghRLQTlzkoRKWKQO8rtSIOu5r4HAJedhRxx24Mx7QHunA5eCSwgsM/s200/80.jpg" /></a><br /><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></b></div><br /><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></b></div><br /><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;">Typical fake Chinese Cash in eBay Auctions</span></span></b><br /><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#ffffff;">Click the images to zoom full size.</span></i></div><br /><div><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiV_ZGzd6Id_KMzq-pzrGRkygXwV8knytZf9oI4QiP0w-BvEbdgd7B8g-UxNOR4K8GYudgdqXNNv2ACusbsW8eLmuu1jP53spDuDGfrY-kQnPo19IGF7bS91kevV0yeT2c9Cy1r6bJozQ8/s1600-h/chongqing-fake-a.JPG"><img style="MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; 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WIDTH: 81px; FLOAT: left; HEIGHT: 81px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443448971340228850" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjthQxPdzkp38kVtLpKtjlElTJEdO6zU4tWm0DY_PIF2g9ehOTn4Wt9ANKQ33VoPC5v51MkDGhpGaGeWA13SC-rUOzPwARcXyiHG0jLzNIJ7ZGCIXb6-zfNWHF0hcElG3Fkanx5X0qay3o/s200/xf-100a.jpg" /></a><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgVkSPJ8BMcPMenyF5Rk04w_ZMfKnlxCk7Y7xNpNlosfs9acd35_-B9FVCfv1a83NoJUCcW85TiUK94ZC-B-KqTq4GyQUF1dIu-bv9MJcOUTnfh59sW32LWYRRq3s-vV3QkQ2VtnLnazn8/s1600-h/xf-100b.jpg"><img style="MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; WIDTH: 81px; FLOAT: left; HEIGHT: 81px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443448976111313490" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgVkSPJ8BMcPMenyF5Rk04w_ZMfKnlxCk7Y7xNpNlosfs9acd35_-B9FVCfv1a83NoJUCcW85TiUK94ZC-B-KqTq4GyQUF1dIu-bv9MJcOUTnfh59sW32LWYRRq3s-vV3QkQ2VtnLnazn8/s200/xf-100b.jpg" /></a><br /><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">4th Class</span> – Dealers in fake cash, medallic coins and off-metal fantasies</span></b><br />*heyu ( 1344)<br />777.store ( 2967)<br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/8sources/">8sources</a> ( 1563) - Lots of fake antiquities, some fake cash<br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/a_coin_china/">a_coin_china</a> ( 1079) - Better quality fakes<br />b-u-n-k-e-r ( 3935) – <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;">Fake, </span></i>poorly copied silver dollars – <i>from Israel!</i><br />baiduyong2010 ( 57) – <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;">Fake</span></i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;">,</span> silver art plaques<br />bluerinco ( 6970) – Souvenir shop material, <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;"><i>fake </i></span>but obvious<br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/bruce.li.shop/">bruce.li.shop</a> ( 174)<br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/china-sian/">china-sian</a> ( 429)<br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/cultural-art-china/">cultural-art-china</a> ( 1746) – Big time <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;"><i>fake</i></span> products of all types<br />emperor-treasure ( 98)<br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/fangkongtian/">fangkongtian</a> ( 815) – The best quality, artistic, <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;">fakes</span></i> of real and imaginary coins<br />ganggang_yuan520 ( 376) – Souvenir shop with some real-looking <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;">fakes</span></i><br />honesty-stone ( 34)<br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/jinbiaoyaya/">jinbiaoyaya</a> ( 133) - Lower quality <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;">fake </span></i>cash<br />lr_2000 ( 1293) – Currently into <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;"><i>fake </i></span>gold coins! (Perhaps the gold is real?)<br />luckybaby201019 ( 682)<br />luckyjewelrystore ( 3143) – <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;"><i>Fake</i></span> coins for jewelry<br />lulutong8 ( 1121) – <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;"><i>Fake </i></span>silver dollars<br />memory135 ( 103)<br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/milangubi2006/">milangubi2006</a> ( 2191) – Large supplier of <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;"><i>fake </i></span>cash of varied quality<br />mylkkfel ( 72)<br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/oldart*/">oldart*</a> ( 758) – Big time <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;"><i>fake </i></span>products of all types<br />promise-is-debt ( 213) – <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;"><i>Fake</i></span> silver plates (decorative)<br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/qianbitiantang88/">qianbitiantang88</a> ( 245) - Some high quality cash, but always <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;">fake</span></i><br />rww2009 ( 1 )<br />shenwen030988 ( 88)<br />source4you ( 138)<br />sourcebox ( 388)<br />stonestore88 ( 1758) – <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;">Fakes</span></i>, source of zodiac medallions, not a fake cash dealer<br />whchensheng888 ( 161) – <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;"><i>Fakes</i></span>, but not cash<br />whcwb1231 ( 165) – <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;">Fakes</span></i>, more of those silver “screens” or plates<br />wood.wood ( 90) – Nothing to do with cash, source of carvings, in wrong category<br /><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/xia_lan72/">xia_lan72</a> ( 708) – <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;"><i>Fake </i></span>cash and other coins<br />yanhui598168 ( 61)<br /><br />There are other dealers that did not have anything up for auction today that I have missed, both on the side of authentic coins and fakes. In the list of dealers of real cash coins, many are one-time listers, private individuals who have found some cash coins in a drawer or box and want to see what they can get for them. They're harmless and will disappear as soon as they’ve made a sale.<br /><br /><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;">What is my purpose in publishing this information?<br />Am I out to identify and punish the dealers in fake coins?</span></i><br /><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#ffffff;">Well, identify, yes; punish, no. I am not going to sit in judgment on them, as from their point of view, many of them would not see what they are doing as wrong. They are, in fact, making available many rare pieces as very high quality replicas. Their mistake, from a Westerner’s viewpoint, is that they are not marketing them as fakes. If I was a wealthy man, I would even like to collect the rare pieces being offered as well-executed copies by, for example, <span style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)" class="Apple-style-span"><a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/fangkongtian/">fangkongtian</a></span>. At least I could display them openly in my public rooms and not have to keep them in a safe. It’s all a matter of one’s sensibilities about history, art and authenticity.</span><br /><br />My purpose in publishing is also to alert any collectors who are not experienced enough to be able to differentiate real from <i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;">fake </span></i>Chinese cash to gain some knowledge. It is also alarming to me that vast quantities of <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#cc0000;"><i>fake </i></span>Chinese coins are flooding the world market and will continue to plague and deceive the unwary for possibly generations to come, but let's hope not.</div></div>Norman F. Gornyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01464716558615582279noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1591679242785440435.post-22641895456432140712010-02-27T16:00:00.000-08:002010-05-06T20:42:29.112-07:00Buy the Book Before You Buy the CoinThis is by far one of the best and truest sayings in numismatics. Nothing is worse than trying to collect coins without knowing anything about them. Though we no longer use maps on road trips because our dashboard GPS devices point the way, it’s a <a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjrB8FRyVeK8dmCCxXjsgV9QZjRyLyLE0UZSuxbSu5QGkJ0Py1tcg8boGO-ncQjfzkR8XnIudZbFpzrDjUCi8JWyTT48yShkeQiU48sXxZG3uNwKFBws4F22tNX1sb_jV2VOwMYx5bg2Ec/s1600-h/history-cc.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:5px 10px 0px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 150px; height: 200px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjrB8FRyVeK8dmCCxXjsgV9QZjRyLyLE0UZSuxbSu5QGkJ0Py1tcg8boGO-ncQjfzkR8XnIudZbFpzrDjUCi8JWyTT48yShkeQiU48sXxZG3uNwKFBws4F22tNX1sb_jV2VOwMYx5bg2Ec/s200/history-cc.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443475875124782914" /></a>different story with navigating through eBay’s numismatic minefields. You need to learn some basics. The following are the books I have used or am still using. I will list the English language ones first, then those in Asian languages.<br /><br /><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FF6600;">A History of Chinese Currency</span></b> – An interesting and high illustrated review of the Chinese monetary system with lots of good color photos of real cash coins. Not a catalog, but very useful to gain a familiarity with what genuine Chinese coins look like.<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhsTAZZl5s6j9zFcf16H_WH-_KLizPA3BSSOwWsGXL3VZ-hUyRqyB-F3XJ65Lith-C6OZ5njTxBKBjqcE6OFN2_xbwDYNZfj5lt0NgxCj62EMIQ7CWfNVsfX9pSnum2UViRHqDYrqEEXcc/s1600-h/mandel.jpg"><img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 135px; height: 200px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhsTAZZl5s6j9zFcf16H_WH-_KLizPA3BSSOwWsGXL3VZ-hUyRqyB-F3XJ65Lith-C6OZ5njTxBKBjqcE6OFN2_xbwDYNZfj5lt0NgxCj62EMIQ7CWfNVsfX9pSnum2UViRHqDYrqEEXcc/s200/mandel.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443476290267027298" /></a><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FF0000;">Cast Coinage of Korea,</span></b> Mandel – The standard, if you collect yop chon (Korean cash), you must have this catalog if you are to make any sense out of the series. This catalog also contains an extensive glossary of Chinese/Korean numismatically related terms.<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEisz5P6OWmatHbzxu2lju88ZXd0GFsbgwdtXlSpqMp4yFymFq9JOtcXasFtXU4kEMxdixQMHQ-PL_DRBIywP3Z1SeP_QTfxNXKZDII44Y-GyaUMoZAq4GHsx-2zZ3KucIeKoSGvivJ-k8I/s1600-h/cresswell_catalog.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:10px 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 129px; height: 200px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEisz5P6OWmatHbzxu2lju88ZXd0GFsbgwdtXlSpqMp4yFymFq9JOtcXasFtXU4kEMxdixQMHQ-PL_DRBIywP3Z1SeP_QTfxNXKZDII44Y-GyaUMoZAq4GHsx-2zZ3KucIeKoSGvivJ-k8I/s200/cresswell_catalog.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443465735449631298" /></a><div><b><br /></b></div><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#996633;">Chinese Cash</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#663333;">,</span></b> Cresswell<br />A curious little book that in spite of its primitive simplicity is still worth having. It covers the whole scope of Chinese cash coins in 63 pages with about 20 more of coin drawings (comically crude) and other lists of information. I’m glad I kept my copy. It was my first cash catalog, bought for 75 cents circa 1970.<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjLeU_8fACfolDWGjLUU3oqVzBueSj6zmf0ss_J_4WxHvMTaaVhocx1T5J5zqSmX_HWa0om_BoPV8HqeQIR8ffev7qEQ9AePR__WB9Hdmwn2Q1i7PMJup77PiG4m6U5xDsUP6Yk8Hvyi3o/s1600-h/schj_th.jpg"><img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 123px; height: 200px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjLeU_8fACfolDWGjLUU3oqVzBueSj6zmf0ss_J_4WxHvMTaaVhocx1T5J5zqSmX_HWa0om_BoPV8HqeQIR8ffev7qEQ9AePR__WB9Hdmwn2Q1i7PMJup77PiG4m6U5xDsUP6Yk8Hvyi3o/s200/schj_th.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443467767600198754" /></a></div><div><br /></div><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#990000;">Chinese Currency,</span></b> Schjöth – <b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#990000;">S</span></b> —The standard by default for many years, despite its numerous shortcomings. Uses line drawings instead of rubbings, has useful historical notes, covers Chinese cash with some coverage of Korean and Annamese coins, as well as charms. It has been supposedly replaced by Hartill's catalog.</div><div><br /></div><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjHJMPUNTZ6barhJkp3fbBYn-djlj861yG7VrjsyMSodYOQnCxQ6RNGne9_2oHyM22GbWfcmrPykLKDSiULxaP6wSH0mid6C7H45CZBfE6o7VbljnRrS9hFgCHoPYgJ_hYAR5dZ0xsYAJU/s1600-h/burger_catalog.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:5px 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 145px; height: 200px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjHJMPUNTZ6barhJkp3fbBYn-djlj861yG7VrjsyMSodYOQnCxQ6RNGne9_2oHyM22GbWfcmrPykLKDSiULxaP6wSH0mid6C7H45CZBfE6o7VbljnRrS9hFgCHoPYgJ_hYAR5dZ0xsYAJU/s200/burger_catalog.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443468534945889282" /></a><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#999900;">Ch’ing Cash until 1735,</span></b> Burger – Extremely informative for the history of Chinese cash production, as well as for English translations of many Chinese numismatic terms, includes gigantic foldout charts of rubbings to show the attribution of varieties by year. Disputed by some authorities, the year-by-year attribution makes sense to me, and I have my collection organized by Burger's charts.</div><div><br /></div><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiFB21JbIXfxk6uTrw6_i4_FMHRWoNxoERPkBlNx8ha5WEVhsbAvkY9eLTR7jBHatpr5b4TV5wADR3wmLRacyQB4FHEXxJn1nqsvw5Vfow05Q8qrL4h4-2JXFaPcYhSdAW1Bi7Ksi6qD9o/s1600-h/kaiyuan-doo.jpg"><img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 140px; height: 189px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiFB21JbIXfxk6uTrw6_i4_FMHRWoNxoERPkBlNx8ha5WEVhsbAvkY9eLTR7jBHatpr5b4TV5wADR3wmLRacyQB4FHEXxJn1nqsvw5Vfow05Q8qrL4h4-2JXFaPcYhSdAW1Bi7Ksi6qD9o/s200/kaiyuan-doo.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443478050244019458" /></a><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC9933;">Chronology of Kai Yuan Tung Bao,</span></b> Roger Doo – This book contains the latest information in English as to the historical arrangement of the series of cash coins called Kai Yuan, of the Tang dynasty, as well as providing a reference catalog. I prefer to use the Chinese language variety catalog described below as a variety reference rather than this book.<br /><br /></div><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgLNxOGO2twq0_MLPPUfP8Vh5WBdcitdhuAromqhtuUXY5p79EoBGs1XNi_tL4Lisde5nNdkVQM_glX7-oPLisBgf0MctU0P8RDdXi5Qs6oC_x9Og-Hs6mRvyh2QMcughfueMkbxvHVnTE/s1600-h/NSDCVG-pocketsize.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:25px 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 140px; height: 169px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgLNxOGO2twq0_MLPPUfP8Vh5WBdcitdhuAromqhtuUXY5p79EoBGs1XNi_tL4Lisde5nNdkVQM_glX7-oPLisBgf0MctU0P8RDdXi5Qs6oC_x9Og-Hs6mRvyh2QMcughfueMkbxvHVnTE/s200/NSDCVG-pocketsize.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443479447564289074" /></a><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFCC00;"><br /></span></b></div><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFCC00;">Northern Song Dynasty Cash Variety Guide,</span></b> Gorny – <b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFCC00;">NSDCVG</span></b> – This is my main reference for collecting Northern Song Dynasty cash by variety. This catalog covers the Southern Song coinage before the introduction of year numbers, as well as the common cash coins of Western Xia and Jin dynasties. Very little coverage of iron coins. To be revised and republished in 2010 by the author.</div><div><br /><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#33CCFF;">Standard Catalog of World Coins</span></b> (Krause Mishler, 1800-1900, 1900-2000) – <b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#33CCFF;">KM</span></b> – Having a Krause world coin catalog that covers the cash series is very helpful, and it doesn't matter if it is new or out of date, since the valuations given are guesswork at best. I use volume 1 of the Deluxe Library Edition of 1986.<br /><br /></div><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgByib3A6m4IIRIy5OjzveCF3pwHqjweW7KuB0f7VKPuSFCZbhAFzEg0mduVhE0AJEj9fwwGeV5lXK9w2ZZJ-AcoRvLXcFiu4OFKbRaFcsTgazJyFKMV1ejQNCWvGRsMrDaYS9mTFpTpUE/s1600-h/bookcovers-BSQB.jpg"><img style="float:right; margin:0 0 0px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px; height: 142px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgByib3A6m4IIRIy5OjzveCF3pwHqjweW7KuB0f7VKPuSFCZbhAFzEg0mduVhE0AJEj9fwwGeV5lXK9w2ZZJ-AcoRvLXcFiu4OFKbRaFcsTgazJyFKMV1ejQNCWvGRsMrDaYS9mTFpTpUE/s200/bookcovers-BSQB.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443481939911152706" /></a><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC9933;">北宋钱币 Bei Song Qian Bi</span></b> (Northern Song Cash, 2 vols), He & Hou – Volume 1 covers an overview of Northern Song coinage, volume 2 is the actual catalog. Not as good as the 北宋铜钱 Bei Song Tong Qian described below, but interesting to use as an extra resource when collecting Northern Song coins.</div><div><br /><b><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiWkfwfF_o8NgdT3Off-WpMEWpnWJIYapS4c9x_8ueFkXjFcWiozRyjnYiBUIdSkneP4SPlNU6sqXM1H4I_-S0Hjq80IQhECXx-eOMB0PUv_7SgGqLARpZSa1k9uWwIjBWzMllxCntkm_I/s1600-h/BSTQ-cover.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 144px; height: 200px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiWkfwfF_o8NgdT3Off-WpMEWpnWJIYapS4c9x_8ueFkXjFcWiozRyjnYiBUIdSkneP4SPlNU6sqXM1H4I_-S0Hjq80IQhECXx-eOMB0PUv_7SgGqLARpZSa1k9uWwIjBWzMllxCntkm_I/s200/BSTQ-cover.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443488779616591890" /></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#33CC00;"><br /></span></b></div><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#33CC00;">北宋铜钱 Bei Song Tong Qian</span></b> (Northern Song Copper Cash) – <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#33CC00;"><b>BSTQ</b></span> – An excellent variety catalog of Northern Song cash, in Chinese but easy to follow if you use the <b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFCC00;">NSDCVG</span></b> described above. More or fewer varieties than in other catalogs, demonstrating the point that the definitive variety catalog has not yet appeared.<br /><br /><b><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiB3yLOFhM64TSl86OQ2j0dUcfPa1YlKzcrgVufTGy3D-ZCBQ0809usDODf30a0DHGTdgXBxwRl2GbMD1FaoYzZxVnubQ0ArGHr8XMSRiP-ZximFwO58Y_s58InXlmmXl_ksjLUM-iqSIM/s1600-h/damingquanpu.jpg"><img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 144px; height: 200px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiB3yLOFhM64TSl86OQ2j0dUcfPa1YlKzcrgVufTGy3D-ZCBQ0809usDODf30a0DHGTdgXBxwRl2GbMD1FaoYzZxVnubQ0ArGHr8XMSRiP-ZximFwO58Y_s58InXlmmXl_ksjLUM-iqSIM/s200/damingquanpu.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443489845826079586" /></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FF6666;"><br /></span></b></div><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FF6666;"><br /></span></b></div><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FF6666;">大明泉谱 Da Ming Quan Pu</span></b> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;">(Ming Dynasty Variety Catalog) – </span><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FF6666;">DMQP</span></b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"> – Another excellent variety catalog from mainland China, in Chinese, but still very easy to use if you know numismatic Chinese. I use this reference to catalog my Ming Dynasty collection. See also <a href="http://oriental-cash.blogspot.com/2010/02/update-da-ming-quan-pu.html">this update</a>.</span></div><div><br /></div><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiEu9FuEihISRtGdyWKdy2Lc8jQgCC7mfsEhnFtcizGO1DEO7VENg4LbOqIzlaq0Bmq-4GCfs7HQRHoDO8BjKxJRYv1F3EtAjA-7_7JzBJ2eL-BpkjE6_da-ek3cEePAf358M9AmzU_Gs0/s1600-h/fugo-senshi.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:10px 10px 0px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 135px; height: 188px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiEu9FuEihISRtGdyWKdy2Lc8jQgCC7mfsEhnFtcizGO1DEO7VENg4LbOqIzlaq0Bmq-4GCfs7HQRHoDO8BjKxJRYv1F3EtAjA-7_7JzBJ2eL-BpkjE6_da-ek3cEePAf358M9AmzU_Gs0/s200/fugo-senshi.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443490393477403282" /></a><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CCFFFF;"><b><br /></b></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CCFFFF;"><b>符合銭志 Fugo Senshi</b></span> (Northern Song Matching Cash), Yamada Kosho – </span><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CCFFFF;">FS</span></b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"> – The original work on matching value-1 cash of the Northern Song Dynasty, this catalog in Japanese combines Yamada Kosho's three folios into a single binding. For the most part superseded by </span><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFCC00;">NSDCVG,</span></b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"> but still interesting, especially if you appreciate Japanese bookbinding style.</span></div><div><br /></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgvByevK-hbRfwUlPZ46FW0jJyG3v1Ajb9GVosROT4Vpu_TPR9DV-H5uEnjAW0gdKvTgtPAY1Y9-gO4LPt8cFzlgprIoFQ4Dy7-xdgPHj-wZMwyZNN3HPfDYGkLEuqV0PVfL6iu8FfZJ9o/s1600-h/bookcover-KY.jpg"><img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 142px; height: 200px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgvByevK-hbRfwUlPZ46FW0jJyG3v1Ajb9GVosROT4Vpu_TPR9DV-H5uEnjAW0gdKvTgtPAY1Y9-gO4LPt8cFzlgprIoFQ4Dy7-xdgPHj-wZMwyZNN3HPfDYGkLEuqV0PVfL6iu8FfZJ9o/s200/bookcover-KY.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443492282234073506" /></a><br /></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"><br /></span></div><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFCC33;">开元通宝图说 Kai Yuan Tong Bao Tu Shuo</span></b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"> (Kai Yuan Variety Catalog), Liu & Zhang – <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFCC33;"><b>KYTB</b></span> – The only available variety catalog for Tang Dynasty and other Kai Yuan Tong Bao cash, about 2000 varieties are cataloged, with rubbings, rarity guide, descriptions and variety numbers, easy to follow Chinese text.</span></div><div><br /></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi0ESkK7KAk7R_-SMJJZuDKVk5aXIe9ZSIkvJ9AgHI_pXbwlZtjq1sPyEWlOGMRS5Q0QCZzJ7vg29yNbAPjyHEmHikqAgzbt1gNhY38BgtQl8O94AEUDwUn-Twp9YtmnKGEhGQ5dPYjLTk/s1600-h/kosen-daizen-3.JPG"><img style="float:left; margin:10px 10px 0px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 137px; height: 200px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi0ESkK7KAk7R_-SMJJZuDKVk5aXIe9ZSIkvJ9AgHI_pXbwlZtjq1sPyEWlOGMRS5Q0QCZzJ7vg29yNbAPjyHEmHikqAgzbt1gNhY38BgtQl8O94AEUDwUn-Twp9YtmnKGEhGQ5dPYjLTk/s200/kosen-daizen-3.JPG" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443494090055521474" /></a></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#990000;"><br /></span></b></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#990000;">古泉大全 Kosen Daizen</span></b> (Northern Song Cash, volume 3), Imai Teikichi – </span><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#990000;">KD</span></b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"> – The original Japanese variety catalog for all types of Northern and Southern Song Dynasty cash coins, but very weak on iron, Japanese text. The </span><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFCC00;">NSDCVG</span></b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"> is loosely an English translation and presentation of the material given in this catalog. Useful for varieties of minor dynasties of the same period.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgyIxfkxlERWeFVKfKURKWX5LL59RlNO4fMos_f_WD8GvY05Jw4O9aN9O6mOGlS3fnQ4u9K2WOqYpsXqCeNNoRH81CSMw_wDnSCWi9dHfTv0X6HAzflpgqU-0yty9DQk_2Fmn5mubvhaBo/s1600-h/ding-fubao.jpg"><img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 119px; height: 200px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgyIxfkxlERWeFVKfKURKWX5LL59RlNO4fMos_f_WD8GvY05Jw4O9aN9O6mOGlS3fnQ4u9K2WOqYpsXqCeNNoRH81CSMw_wDnSCWi9dHfTv0X6HAzflpgqU-0yty9DQk_2Fmn5mubvhaBo/s200/ding-fubao.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443495806558841826" /></a><br /></span></div><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#339999;">历代古钱图说 Li Dai Gu Qian Tu Shuo</span></b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"> (Chinese Cash), Ding Fubao – </span><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#339999;">DFB</span></b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"> – Usually known by the author's name, Ding. Originally published in 1940, reprinted thereafter, a catalog of the entire range of Chinese cash coinage, text entirely Chinese and somewhat muddy. Can be useful in identifying uncommon pieces, but has been more or less replaced by </span><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC66CC;">Hua Guangpu</span></b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;">, described below.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiPo9ZIO3F8jrDCi6AmcMbYET5BylXlEKXBdJmrK57S1E8j8yKfIwMj3FyVvLKWSBJUd_azz2EVfn_Oau_n-ZRhMiurlmAm7vDNxNN0Sj3jmNhdIEiHlowyFAyQQSO6Xgv6LszZrmQHf-w/s1600-h/bookcover-LSTQ.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 141px; height: 200px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiPo9ZIO3F8jrDCi6AmcMbYET5BylXlEKXBdJmrK57S1E8j8yKfIwMj3FyVvLKWSBJUd_azz2EVfn_Oau_n-ZRhMiurlmAm7vDNxNN0Sj3jmNhdIEiHlowyFAyQQSO6Xgv6LszZrmQHf-w/s200/bookcover-LSTQ.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443497173832893746" /></a><br /></span></div><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#9999FF;">两宋铁钱 Liang Song Tie Qian</span></b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"> (North & South Song Iron Cash Variety Catalog) – </span><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#9999FF;">LSTQ</span></b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"> – Except for my own variety catalog, this is my favorite variety reference from China, covering all iron cash varieties of both Northern and Southern Song, in an easy to follow format, Chinese text. I have translated the list of mints and other information. See <a href="http://beisongqianbi.blogspot.com/2009/04/list-of-song-dynasty-mints-for-iron-tin.html"><i>List of Song Dynasty Mints for Iron & Tin Alloy Cash</i></a>. I have also translated the map of Song Dynasty mints and it can be downloaded. See <a href="http://beisongqianbi.blogspot.com/2009/04/map-of-song-dynasty-iron-and-tin-alloy.html"><i>Map of Song Dynasty Iron and Tin Alloy Cash Mints</i></a>.</span></div><div><br /></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhVkDSrcu2dSkHBtZU27EvOz1GLKeeP0tpMWf82FOQ0wbjjihUzGe8b5dOomj8hSWAu42UgUGw6M0Jgj8C2g_fhE1FtxXecpzyu697JRHJ-igL-_n-GOpLie4trzYnjH_vsoDNqMK96EhM/s1600-h/hua-guangpu.jpg"><img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 135px; height: 200px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhVkDSrcu2dSkHBtZU27EvOz1GLKeeP0tpMWf82FOQ0wbjjihUzGe8b5dOomj8hSWAu42UgUGw6M0Jgj8C2g_fhE1FtxXecpzyu697JRHJ-igL-_n-GOpLie4trzYnjH_vsoDNqMK96EhM/s200/hua-guangpu.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5443500131365732898" /></a></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"><br /></span></div><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC66CC;">中国古銭目录 Zhong Guo Gu Qian Mu Lu</span></b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"> (Chinese Cash, 3 vols), Hua Guangpu – </span><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#CC66CC;">HGP</span></b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"> – The latest editions are in 4 volumes, but I use the 3 volume set. Chinese text, and no numbering system, but can be used to reference coins to a page and position on the page, as was formerly done with the </span><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#339999;">DFB</span></b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"> catalog. Especially helpful for Qing Dynasty coins.<br /><br /></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"><br /><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#99FF99;">Other Chinese Cash References</span></span></b></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"><br /></span></div><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFFFFF;">Chinese Cash: Identification and Price Guide</span></b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFFFFF;">,</span> Jen – This is NOT a good catalog to use, despite the author’s best intentions.<br /><br /><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FFFFFF;">Cast Chinese Coins,</span></b> Hartill – I still don’t own a copy and so am not using it, for no other reason than I am not going to live long enough to re-catalog all my collections by his numbers. The Schjöth catalog was my reference for my entire collection until I started using variety catalogs from China. For a beginning collector or student of Chinese cash, it seems that Hartill’s catalog is here to stay. If you collect the entire series of Chinese cash coins, it's probably a good idea to get one.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"><br /></span></div><div><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#99FF99;">Resources</span></span></b></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"><br /></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;">You can find these catalogs all over the internet. I recommend you buy them from <a href="http://www.coincoin.com/directory.htm">Scott Semans</a> who keeps a large stock of all kinds of numismatic books, including Japanese and Chinese language publications. The newer Chinese language catalogs are available on eBay from <a href="http://myworld.ebay.com/xiangxiangkafeizha/">xiangxiangkafeizha</a> ( 1783). If you have any trouble finding books, contact me, and I will try to assist you.</span></div></div><b></b>Norman F. Gornyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01464716558615582279noreply@blogger.com2